Ten Foods To Live Longer
Ten foods to live longer – and survive Armageddon down in your bunker. Revealing the absolute healthiest foods in the world - foods that can potentially add ten years to your life expectancy.
Plus, the menus of ‘preppers’ in Texas already stocking up for the end times.
And the turtle-eating tips of a man who spent six weeks shipwrecked.
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Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Hello. By the end of this episode, you'll know how to add 10 years to your life just through eating. Just saying.
Dr Michael Greger:
People eating healthy, but just for example, cutting out meat, eating more fruits and vegetables, live on average about 10 years longer than the people eating the standard kind of American diet.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
10 years, eh?
Dr Michael Greger:
10 years.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
As we tease out the very latest evidence from the top experts - Hi, Gwyneth! - about what the absolutely best foods for you are, which is pretty timely, as life expectancy has kind of been on my mind lately.
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Donald Trump:
And our military, which is by far the most powerful anywhere in the world is ready if necessary.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Armageddon seems to be getting rudely close for comfort.
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David Attenborough:
We're facing a manmade disaster of global scale, our greatest threat in thousands of years.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Never one to underworry, I called my old international relations professor, Bruce Hoffman, now at Georgetown Uni, for some non-apocalyptic reassurance only to be treated to a game of annihilation bingo. Just need witching hour of global destruction for the full house.
Professor Bruce Hoffman:
The Atomic Scientists Bulletin has moved the clock closer to midnight or closer to the witching hour of global destruction than it's been, really, at almost any time. It may not signal the actual Armageddon itself, but the chain of events that would lead to it.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
So we're basically closer than ever to wiping out the human species. But amidst the existential doom and gloom, there is one question no one seems to be asking.
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From the BBC This is All Hail Kale, a discerning yet loving look at all things wellness with Tim Samuels.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
You don't hear it at the G20. NATO's yet to bring it up. But in the event of the air raid sirens wailing, Earth standing on the brink of cataclysmic collapse, what would be the healthiest foods to take into the bunker? With humanity possibly resting on your very shoulders, what will give you the greatest chance to see out the Armageddon and keep the human race going? What should be your dream Doomsday diet?
Sharon Coleman:
I'm standing in the bunker and we are located in Leander, Texas and this is our small business.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Sharon Coleman has a thing for bunkers.
Tim Samuels:
And it's called…
Sharon Coleman:
The Bunker.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
A store providing provisions for preppers.
Tim Samuels:
So would you describe yourself as a prepper?
Sharon Coleman:
Yes.
Tim Samuels:
And what does that mean?
Sharon Coleman:
That means that I and my family prepare for any unexpected events. So that could be manmade or natural disasters. Or it can be for, maybe an EMP, they have the capabilities to set off the new killer electro magnetic poles. And it would basically, essentially, just be like putting us back to the early 1900s. It would be like before electricity, you know, all your electronics would be fried, most of the cars wouldn't run. And so a lot of people prep towards that because it's almost like, worst case scenario. We have statistics that show we are nine meals away from anarchy and I think actually nowadays, it's probably closer to one day.
Tim Samuels:
You're down there in the bunker, the world's collapsing around us, give me a sense of what's going to be in your daily menu.
Sharon Coleman:
Oh, it would be probably things like chicken and rice because rice is a great filler and it's really good for you and it's really cheap. So it's easy to stockpile. It would be soups and stews, oatmeal.
Tim Samuels:
Sounds a little bit carb heavy to me.
Sharon Coleman:
It very well might be. But when it comes to the foods in an emergency, I'm sure you would be very happy Tim, if you were eating those in an emergency situation.
Tim Samuels:
But I'd be a bit worried about your lack of cruciferous vegetables down there.
Sharon Coleman:
So this is a really popular brand here in the US that we carry at Patriot Pantry. And this is... you add four cups of water, it's granny’s homestyle potato soup.
Tim Samuels:
A taste of home cooking when the nuclear mushrooms are forming above your head.
Sharon Coleman:
Yeah, these are actually really good. And so we have people that buy these just under normal times and make it and so it's four servings. You had four cups of water and you've got four one cup servings. And this food is good for 25 years. Oh, let's do this one. So, this one is a 72 hour kit. It's under $28 Tim, can you believe that, for 72 hours worth of food?
Tim Samuels:
If only the exchange rate wasn't so bad at the moment.
Sharon Coleman:
But that's not bad, huh?
Tim Samuels:
So what's in that?
Sharon Coleman:
We've got the homestyle potato soup. We've got creamy chicken and rice, four servings, four servings of the soup, four servings of the creamy Chicken Rice...
Tim Samuels:
Brown or white rice do you think? I believe it's white. Is there any chance you could swap the white rice for some quinoa.
Sharon Coleman:
What is that?
Tim Samuels:
Quinoa?
Sharon Coleman:
Yeah.
Tim Samuels:
It's a nutrient dense grain and you can't really move without standing in quinoa in East London.
Sharon Coleman:
Interesting.
Tim Samuels:
Have you got any dry kale in there?
Sharon Coleman:
No, but...
Tim Samuels:
There's a real gap in the market if, you know, Whole Foods got into prepping… If the Armageddon does come, the future of mankind could be down to you and your prepper group. Do you know... are you ready for that responsibility?
Sharon Coleman:
It is very difficult to think about that. But I'm willing to do anything for my family and I think that, you know, it is what it is. You're just gonna have to deal with whatever is put in front of you.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Some believe the end of the world will herald the coming of the Messiah. But for me, he already walks amongst us.
Michael Greger:
Balding, Caucasian, in a green dress shirt.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
He partially revealed himself in our scary dairy show, Dr. Michael Greger, physician, clinical nutritionist, the high priest of healthy eating, whose devotees flocked to venues across America, just to hear his latest insights on, say, how food companies are trying to pimp up fast food.
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Dr Michael Greger:
You can even improve the nutritional profile of frankfurters by adding powdered grape seeds, though there were complaints that some of the grape seed particles became visible in the final product. And you know, if there's one thing we know about hot dog eaters, it's that they're picky about what goes in their food. Oh pig anus, okay, but grapeseeds, ew!
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Whose every utterance on his NutritionFacts site I, and fellow acolytes, treat as gospel.
Tim Samuels:
You know I'm not a religious man but I do feel like I might be looking at the Messiah. I feel like I'm at the bottom of Mount Sinai. The commandments are about to be given down.
Dr Michael Greger:
Right? Thou shalt eat kale!
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Not convinced how happily I'd survive on Sharon's chicken and rice fest, I asked Dr. Greger who, by the way was walking on a treadmill for the entire time I spoke to him, for his 10 dietary commandments, his bunker-based essentials. Basically, what are the healthiest morsels us mere mortals can eat?
Dr Michael Greger:
Okay, berries.
Tim Samuels:
Berries.
Dr Michael Greger:
So, Harvard researchers found that women who consumed at least a serving of blueberries or strawberries, or two servings of strawberries, had slower rates of cognitive decline by as much as two and a half years compared to those who didn't eat berries. So this suggests eating just a simple act of eating a handful of berries every day can slow one's brain's ageing by more than two years. Even a single serving of blueberries, you can actually improve cognitive function within hours and you can do that versus placebo.
Tim Samuels:
Okay, the berries are in. Number two, what's going in?
Dr Michael Greger:
Flaxseeds. A few spoonfuls of ground flaxseeds a day have been shown to lower blood pressure two to three times better than leading blood pressure medications and only has good side effects, reducing the risk of breast and prostate cancer, controlling cholesterol, triglycerides and blood sugars, reducing inflammation, curing constipation, one tablespoon of ground flax seeds everyday, hallelujah!
Tim Samuels:
Okay, number three.
Michael Greger:
Wholegrains. So people who eat whole grains tend to live significantly longer and may reduce the risk of heart disease, type two diabetes, obesity and stroke.
Tim Samuels:
Your favourite whole grain?
Michael Greger:
Oh, it's so hard to pick among my children! Quinoa would probably be my favourite. You know now there's like pre-cooked quinoa in little pouches, just warm it up, um, so you know people think, oh you know, wholegrains are hard to cook or something but you can cook you know wholewheat spaghetti the same way you cook you know white wheat spaghetti I mean, you just got to get familiar with some of the ways and it's just as easy, can be just as convenient and and much, much healthier.
Tim Samuels:
Okay.
Dr Michael Greger:
Oh, what are we up to, four?
Tim Samuels:
Yeah.
Dr Michael Greger:
All right. Greens, just like berries are the healthiest fruits, greens are our healthiest vegetables. In fact, the healthiest foods period with a higher nutrient density than any other food, translating to about a 20% drop in heart attack and stroke risk for each daily serving, not only adding years to your life but life to your years because of the nitrates in greens can boast both athletic performance and blood flow throughout your body for, you know, a little veggie Viagra fact that's all the nitrates, thanks to dark green leafy vegetables.
Tim Samuels:
I mean, I know it's tough for you to choose between kids but which green would you take?
Dr Michael Greger:
Oh, that's easy. Arugala.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Ahem, rocket, dear chap.
Dr Michael Greger:
Yummy. You're making me hungry.
Tim Samuels:
The word arugula has had a Pavlovian effect on you.
Dr Michael Greger:
Oh, yes, yeah I am starting to drool, this is crazy.
Tim Samuels:
Okay, carry on please.
Dr Michael Greger:
All right, then we are onto beans, legumes, right. So beans, peas, chickpeas and lentils. Empirically the most important dietary predictor of survival and older people around the world about 8% reduction risk of premature death for each single one ounce increase in daily intake. But sadly here in the States 96% of Americans don't even reach the recommended minimum intake. So I agree with the American Institute for cancer research suggestion for three servings a day so beans with every meal in some way, you can take white beans mash them up into your oatmeal, you won't even taste it, you don't even know they're there and you get in your beans three times a day.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
As I digest the revelation of beans for breakfast, his other commandments coming to earth soon, it's also dawned on me that with Dr Greger's diet, I might survive long enough to want some post-Armageddon company. Someone to share my blueberries with, a bunker buddy.
Tim Samuels:
If I happen to be in your store as the bombs are raining down would you offer me some good old Texan hospitality and say, "Hey Tim, you can come into the bunker with me."
Sharon Coleman:
Yeah... oh, no.
Tim Samuels:
No?
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Sharon said she'd asked around in the prepper community… With a solitary yet nutritious future beckoning, I sought the advice of someone for whom fighting to survive on meagre rations isn't just the far flung hypochondria of someone who needs to get a life. It really happened.
Douglas Robertson:
Breakfast usually consisted of a small sip of water if we hadn't enough moisture in our bodies we did without anything at all. In 1971, Dougal Robertson decided it'd be fun for the family to sell his farm, buy a 43 foot wooden schooner and sail around the world. His son Douglas was 18.
Douglas Robertson:
It was an adventure. Every day was an adventure, we landed in Barbados, sailed up through the Caribbean, and it was idyllic. I mean, life was idyllic.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
It was all going swimmingly until a pod of killer whales near the Galapagos Islands attacked the boat.
Douglas Robertson:
Bang, bang, bang. The Big daddy whale had his head split out, and blood was pouring from him. And my dad was already up to his waist in water. And he said, we're sinking, abandon ship.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Six of them adrift in the Pacific Ocean, on a dinghy, away from any shipping lanes, stocked with just some lemons, glucose tablets, dried bread, biscuits and cans of water. To stay alive, the sea would have to provide.
Douglas Robertson:
A big dolphin fish jumped into the dinghy, and we caught it and killed it. We knew that we could dry that, we could eat it raw. And then on the sixth day, we caught a turtle after two failed attempts we caught a turtle… and drank its blood. The daily diet would be extremely small amounts of food, first of all. A meal would consist of one mouthful of food, but it would be a mouthful of turtle meat. Or a mouthful of fish, dolphin fish. Followed by, if it was a turtle, we would drink the blood of the turtle. So the blood is salt free, but it's a little bit difficult to drink because it congeals so you have to be very quick you have to knock it back. So we would lead the turtle into this little cup and then drink and then bleed it again into the cup and pass the cup round and I suppose you know it's a bit like black pudding that you have at breakfast you know what I mean, it's a bit like that.
Tim Samuels:
Was it was a tasty?
Douglas Robertson:
It was a little bit sickening. You had to, you had you know, you had to knock it back and it's a bit like drinking medicine if you like, but we knew we had to do it.
Tim Samuels:
And what was the the dolphin fish sushi like?
Douglas Robertson:
Yes just like sushi, very nice, very very nice indeed, not enough of it that was the only problem.
Tim Samuels:
And when you say dolphin fish is that different to dolphin?
Douglas Roberston:
Yes, not a dolphin the mammal, but what they call darado, the dolphin fish, it's a big bullheaded sports fish. They're quite large, six foot long, maybe a foot high.
Tim Samuels:
Has it given you an appetite for sushi?
Douglas Robertson:
I guess I'd never tried it before, but I certainly tried it then, I wasn't I wasn't at the back of the queue, let's put it like that.
Tim Samuels:
And I guess sushi wasn't a big thing in the early 70s?
Douglas Robertson:
No, no, no, only the Japanese really knew about it. You know, it wasn't sort of a worldwide market.
Tim Samuels:
Do you like sushi now?
Douglas Robertson:
Yeah.
Tim Samuels:
Fond memories of it?
Douglas Robertson:
Yeah. I always think of the life raft whenever I have sushi for lunch, you know, from one of the cafes, yeah… I mean, I didn't go to the toilet for 28 days. So that the problem is if you can't get rid of what you're eating, it can poison you from the inside. So we were very careful not to overeat.
Tim Samuels:
So, how much did you daydream about food?
Douglas Robertson:
Well that was our lifesaver, we invented a cafe, we had a menu. We discussed it for hours on end.
Tim Samuels:
Isn't that torturing yourself?
Douglas Robertson:
Absolutely, absolutely. But what a wonderful torture. We used to get so involved in describing the food, if you came up with a dish for this cafe, you'd go before the committee and have to describe this meal and how you would cook it, and how you would eat it, in great detail. And we used to say, you know what, I actually feel like I've eaten it, you know what I mean? So there was great, great talk about food we must have spent a few hours a day talking about food and thinking about new recipes.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
After 38 days, more than six weeks at sea, they were rescued by a passing Japanese ship.
Douglas Robertson:
They brought us food, some noodles and a coffee but we couldn't really eat it. Just a few sips because it was kind of alien food to us by now. We'd lived for six weeks on Raw fish, raw turtle, turtle eggs that we made soup out of, turtle fat that we used to either eat or we rendered it down in the sunlight and made oil out of it and with that oil we calmed the sea around us. We were very industrious with the products, the bones, we chewed on the bones for days on end, you know, the marrow out of the bones of the turtle, and one time, when we were very short of water, we didn't eat the darado fish but we took their eyes out and sucked their eyes and their vertebrae between the spine because that is full of sacks of fresh water. It's amazing how civilization is just a thin veneer. Underneath it we are hunters, we are gatherers. We are improvisers we are innovative, you know, and I have a great deal of respect for humankind. No wonder we're top of the food chain.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Someone near a mountain in Sinai or a treadmill in Maryland, Dr. Greger has finished chiselling away at the tablets, his final five dietary commandments are good to go.
Dr Michael Greger:
Cruciferous vegetables. Now there's some overlap with the greens, some greens are cruciferous, some are not, but you know greens are one of the healthiest types of food and greens cruciferous vegetables broccoli family vegetables like kale, all hail and grains. But you know cabbage fits in that too. It's a red or purple cabbage, has the same type of eyesight and brain-protecting phytonutrients as berries do at a fraction of the cost. So you know, my family always keeps a purple cabbage in the crisper at all times to slice off shreds for any meal, for kind of a colourful, health-promoting garnish.
Tim Samuels:
Great. So number seven.
Dr Michael Greger:
Alright, let's go, let's go mushrooms. You know, just like there are special anti-cancer compounds uniques to broccoli family vegetables, mushrooms have nutrients not found anywhere else in the plant kingdom because they're not even plants, right? But we miss out on that protection if we don't eat them and eating just plain white button mushrooms, not have to get fancy, can significantly boost immune system function, cut down on upper respiratory tract infections such as the common cold and as we're entering cold season, eat some mushrooms.
Tim Samuels:
Okay, number eight please.
Dr Michael Greger:
Nuts. The famous PREDIMED study found that adding just a small palmful full of nuts to one's daily diet can, for a few years, cut one's risk of having a stroke in half or look you could flip that around and saying not eating nuts every day doubles your stroke risk. Another study found that eating just four Brazil nuts can drop your cholesterol 20 points within nine hours, that's more powerful than drugs, right, without the side effects. And that's just one time, four Brazil nuts, though I would not recommend eating more than one or two a day because a little too high in Selenium. So over the long term, you've got to be a little careful.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
That's the foods taken care of but what drink to take in?
Dr Michael Greger:
So the three best beverages are water, green tea and hibiscus tea. So hibiscus tea for example. So it's an herbal tea that had been put head to head against one of our leading blood pressure medications found that two strong cups, so that's five bags and two cups of tea in the morning, drops blood pressures better than leading blood medication and blood pressures leading killer increases risk of kidney damage and strokes and all sorts of bad things and so that's just for its medicinal effects green tea consumption associated with improved longevity, all sorts of wonderful benefits.
Tim Samuels:
Green tea is actually associated with living longer?
Dr Michael Greger:
Oh green tea consumption, absolutely. And you know, black tea consumption is as well, in countries where they don't have milk.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
And then he revealed something truly shocking. Dr. Greger reveals milk in tea prevents health benefits.
Dr Michael Greger:
So unfortunately in the UK, tea drinkers don't live any longer but in Norway, for example, where they drink the same type of tea, black tea but they just don't typically add milk, they do get longevity boost and it's because we think that the casing in the milk proteins bind up the the flavonoid phytonutrients in tea that are still beneficial.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
And if I can take in one spice...
Dr Michael Greger:
okay so in the spices, turmeric.
Tim Samuels:
Adds a lovely touch to your curry but what's what's it gonna do for you?
Dr Michael Greger:
Yeah, you know it wouldn't be very, I mean it's not the tastiest spice. I typically have to kind of mix it into something to get it in but there's more than 50 clinical trials now pitting turmeric against a variety of diseases, lung disease, brain diseases, a variety of different cancers have been shown to make colon polyps disappear, speed recovery after surgery, effectively treat rheumatoid arthritis better than the leading drug, also appears to be effective in treating osteoarthritis, other inflammatory conditions lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, I recommend a quarter teaspoon of turmeric a day, it is good stuff.
Tim Samuels:
Okay, so daily turmeric, once a week for that turmeric latte is not enough, you're saying?
Dr Michael Greger:
No, quarter teaspoon every day.
Tim Samuels:
If you had to run to the shelter at the very last minute, and you had to grab one food that you could survive off...
Dr Michael Greger:
Oh yeah. So yeah, sweet potatoes.
Tim Samuels:
Sweet potatoes?
Dr Michael Greger;
Yeah, so probably, yeah, so I mean, I mean, if you only had one food and you wanted to go months... so probably white potatoes even though certainly not the healthiest, sweet potatoes are healthier, but don't have, you know, may have some problems with protein deficiency if you just lived off sweet potatoes for a year or so... but yeah, you go white potatoes for a year. I mean, you'd go blind from vitamin A deficiency and all sorts of horrible things would happen but you'd be alive.
Tim Samuels:
All of the factors being equal, how much longer do you think you might live than the person living off the, I guess, the more mainstream diet?
Dr Michael Greger:
Oh, well, so people eating healthy and not that healthy, not even that healthy, but just for example, cutting out meat, eating more fruits and vegetables live on average about 10 years longer than the people eating a standard kind of American diet, presumably standard British diet. And so yeah, so you get about a decade. And that's not doing the fancy stuff like we just mentioned all the healthiest about the booze that's just cutting out some of the worst foods and bumping up whole plant food intake a little bit.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
I guess I should acknowledge that for whatever unfathomable reasons, not everyone feels like they've just had a religious experience, that the light hasn't just been seen. So, in the spirit of begrudging balance, here's a buffet of other dietary options for once the end is nigh.
Joe Cross:
You know, if the apocalypse is coming and all I've got is my juicer, I could probably survive easily one year.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Big claims from juicer, Joe Cross.
Joe Cross:
I went on a juice-only binge for 60 days, you know, two months of nothing but juice, and then I added the consumption of eating fruits and veg for another 90 days another three months and after that five months in total, I was 100 pounds lighter, I was off for medication, and it gave me back my life. You do go to a very high enlightened place of happiness and peace. I think that's why like the religions hijacked this idea of fasting. I mean, if you look at all the big religions in the world, there is a lot of fasting in there. And so you know, it's something that's part of our DNA, of our history of being a human.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Originally developed as a treatment for epilepsy, the ketogenic keto diet has been all the rage lately. Carbs are the devil's work. Craig Emmerich is a believer.
Craig Emmerich:
a ketogenic diet is where you keep carbohydrates low enough that your body switches its main field supply from glucose to fat. No pasta, no rice, basically take the carbohydrates mostly out of the equation. You know in that doomsday scenario, it's gonna go back to relying off the land and it's what the land can provide. If you're in an area with access to fish and wild game, and you have the skills to get them, this is how our ancestors survived. So I think you could do it indefinitely. Animal proteins are actually some of the most nutrient dense foods out there, they compare well against kale or blueberries or a lot of these other things. They have more vitamins and minerals across the board than those other foods.
Tim Samuels (voiceover)
And a more heretic buffet choice catered by the east west spice chippy in Greenock.
Shop-owner:
Glasgow salad, one fish, half a pizza crunch, sausages, hamburger, chicken nugget five pieces, five piece onion ring, two portions of chips, some people buying it every week. I will say my customer is happier.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
it's going to be a patriot pantry soup for one. Strangely, there were no takers amongst the Single preppers, Sharon said the liberal atheism was too much for any of her circle to stomach. But in these polarised times, I'd sent her a little something to reach across the cultural divide.
Sharon Coleman:
Let’s see what’ve we got, ok. Organic, white Q-U-I-N-O-A, kwinoa? Pre-washed, vegan, natural. What is this stuff? They just look like little granules. Okay, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this stuff. I don't know how I’m supposed to cook it or what so I'm gonna have to look that up and we'll get back to you into a part two.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
And when part two arrived...
Sharon Coleman:
Um, it doesn't have a lot of flavour, I thought it was gonna have more flavour.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
Even with an abundance of South American high protein grains, maybe post-apocalypse life wouldn't be all that. Rejoining Dr. Greger, somewhere around the 15 mile mark on his treadmill, I asked him what foods to eat if I didn't want to prolong my subterranean existence?
Dr Michael Greger:
Yeah, so the worst possible foods, number one, anything with trans fats or partially hydrogenated oils. My number two would be processed meat. So big… hotdogs lunch meat sausage is a category one carcinogen going to the IRC the official, you know, World Health Organisation body that determines what is and is not carcinogenic. That's the highest level, so we are as sure that sausage causes cancer that we are that asbestos cause cancer tobacco Cancer, plutonium causes cancer. It's a known human carcinogen. And so your traditional, you know, English breakfast, eat the tomatoes and the mushrooms and there's all sorts of good stuff there and the beans, but maybe go for the veggie sausage there. And then finally, number three would be soda. Yeah. So if you chase that down with a, with a sugar sweetened, soft drink, that would be a nice... that would... that would end your time.
Tim Samuels (voiceover):
And with that, he ascended back to plant based paradise, but not before telling me that he actually has a bunker kit packed and ready to go, having written a book about the pandemic potential of bird flu. And it turns out, my old Professor Bruce also has a little bag stowed. It's so strange when the nonsense in your head turns out to have even a hint of real world credibility. By the way, if you're liking this All Hail Kale business, you can subscribe on BBC Sounds. Thanks to Natascha McElhone, the gospel touch choir and the Bunker store and our production team Sera Baker, Nick Minter, Roser Jorba Soler, Barney Roundtree from Reduced Listening, Ali Rezakhani and Gloria Abramoff. Original music by Xavior Roide. All Hail Kale is made by Tonic Productions for the BBC. From me, Tim Samuels, thanks for listening. Enjoy your extra decade.
Tim Samuels:
I mean, I have to say you seem pretty prepared. Just one little thing. Don't forget the can opener.
Sharon Coleman:
Yeah, I know.
Tim Samuels:
Just like don't forget it.
Sharon Coleman:
Yeah, opener. Yeah.
Tim Samuels:
Otherwise you'd be fine.
